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cocoplus5nuts ( member #45796) posted at 9:05 PM on Friday, February 13th, 2026

I knew my husband was the better man the entire time, I never lost sight of that even in the deepest parts of what I think of as my sickness.

My H said similar things. He never considered leaving or replacing me. He knew the OW was beneath me. His cheating wasn't about me or her. It was about him.

I'm the BP

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Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 9:14 PM on Friday, February 13th, 2026

I was not Enough.

Not enough of what?

Married 2005
D-Day April, 2015
Divorced May, 2022

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This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at 11:13 PM on Friday, February 13th, 2026

I'm not trying to berate you for feeling what you feel. Since feelings are valid.

Cheaters are not using the same frame of mind when choosing to cheat.

You have it framed in a monogamous and loyal mindset. That you wouldn't have sex with another person if you are already having exclusive sex with a person. That in order to do so, you have to choose.

A cheater is not choosing between. They are choosing both (or many). They are not hampered by their promises or ethics. They don't need to choose between meals on a prix fixe menu. They are at an all you can eat buffet.

It doesn't reflect on your value as a person, it reflects on their lack of values.

Maybe this advice helps, maybe not.

But it just isn't going to be useful to think of it as a choice when she never saw it as picking between options.

Love is not a measure of capacity for pain you are willing to endure for your partner.

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Mindjob ( member #54650) posted at 6:32 AM on Saturday, February 14th, 2026

I was the "fallback guy" even at the very beginning of the relationship and marriage. I was bitter about this for a long time, until I realized that a) I had chosen to stick around even though this was the case, and b) this is only ever a status someone else can give me, and as something largely out of my control, there's little sense in me stressing about it.

So what did I do about it?

1) I officially downgraded my FWW's status to "concubine." Dead serious. She hates that I refer to her like this, but she cannot refute my reasoning: wives give themselves completely to their husbands, and that's nothing she's ever done for me, sexually or in marital authority. This status doesn't change anything about our situation - she is still married, and has her husband "one who takes care of." She just doesn't have the title of "wife" anymore.

2) She hates it when I glibly and blithely refer to myself as "the fallback guy." She always tries to say that's not how she feels about me, and I say I believe her, and I do. However, that's exactly how she's treated me. Twice now, sexually. So if it all-fired bothers her that I feel this way, maybe she should dedicate her whole life to sincerely convincing me otherwise. It probably won't work, but I'd definitely appreciate the effort.

I don't get enough credit for *not* being a murderous psychopath.

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 BackfromtheStorm (original poster member #86900) posted at 7:08 AM on Saturday, February 14th, 2026

I am at a turning point right now, but I want to answer something I care

Not enough of what?

Not enough valuable of a person to be worth committing to. In my case, not enough of a man, for her.

I believe this to be the case 95 percent of the time. I definitely know it’s true in my case. In fact, I knew my husband was the better man the entire time, I never lost sight of that even in the deepest parts of what I think of as my sickness.

My case is different, she replaced me every single time. She kept me as an emotional option for her ego, lying to me about how much she loved me and I was special to her. The moment one affair gave her more comfort in the moment and she thought it could be stabilized, she left me. Just to come back to me when it failed shortly after. No care for my pain. No care for my feelings. No regret, lies. No respect for me as a person rebuilding a life after betrayal.

I was a commodity, she simply needed me to feel better at that time while she searched. So to feel that need I had to pay the price with my life and future to soothe her void.

Was not honest R and I can see the results today.

I don’t believe in soul mates, not in the way people talk about it. There are lots of people we can be attracted to and have compatibility with. I believe romantic love ebbs and flows and it’s what you do in the ebbs that define your character, not your spouses worth.

I absolutely believe in soulmates, it’s the very difference you get from a ‘friend’ and a Friend with capital F.

- There are many people you click with. You call them friends, they are good to keep around, support each other in good and bad times, they are valuable and you care for, but there’s always a line. You can take the good with no limits, but you can take just enough of the bad before reaching the line.

- There are few people who are a true match, those are are a rarity of a connection, you call these friends, but the connections between you is so deep that they really become family. It’s truly loyal, people who are there for you and you are there for them even though your detriment if needed. It’s love even if not romantic. They truly matter for you and you truly matter for them. You don’t let each other down not out of convenience but out of love. An extension of you, is precious, is shared.

- Then there’s the relationship part, partnership you click with, you have desire and feelings of love, is real and matters , like the first kind of friendship but much deeper. Because you share more, you can have children with and spend a life together. It’s real and valuable, but no matter what there is a line , they are your precious partner, you and them will do almost anything for each others. Almost, that’s where the line is.

- And like with friends there’s the romantic equivalent of ‘soulmates’. This is very rare, perhaps not unique, but the combination of factors that must click together is a serious lottery chance. It is a true match like true friendship but deeper. It is a romantic relationship that bypasses the others, not because of magic but because the match combination is rare. And these relationships are scary because they will change you to your core, there is no "if" it’s inevitable, you form a bond that is too deep, depending on the partners maturity this will change you for the better or for the worse. You can only choose to stay or run, if you stay you will be forever changed, because you can’t help to accept the other person good and bad. It’s not completion, it’s merging of the light and darkness of 2 people. It doesn’t mean necessarily better it means riskier. Could be incredible or devastating, because you both are so exposed that fear or misstep can kick in and you will both suffer more than in other kinds of relationships. And we humans are great at fucking up stuff.

This is human nature, we connect but there are degrees. These are only the examples of relationships closest to your heart because is what we talk about here.

Now betrayal. Each of the above can suffer from betrayal. And that itself can vary in intensity from small to devastating. Little lies, fears or bad decisions, to intentional harm.

Each kind of betrayal carries its own emotional impact.

For each tier of connection that betrayal will hurt deeper. The deepest the connection the more painful and hard to heal and forgive the wound is.

Probably there is a worse scenario too, one delusional party. You can offer a level of connection that is not reciprocated. For whatever reason, true unreciprocation or withdrawal from fear by the other party.

If this is the case the delusional party will hurt way more than the offending party who pulled back.

You may both suffer, the intensity is different.

Deciding factor about healing ❤️‍🩹 is depending if it was truly unreciprocated or it was a pull back out of fear or unresolved issues:

- if it was unreciprocated the delusional person will eventually find out and reassess the value of it all. You accept it was a delusion, a mistake from your side, and reframes everything in being used by the other person, because that’s the case or they would have clarified. Their value drops to zero and below, you can truly heal and forget, because it was all your projection, there was no mirror. There was no real loss here, just a lesson learned about yourself. This is no loss, the pain is additive (you added the painful situation by creating a fantasy) Healing is real.

- a pull back hurt more because it was true connection and they (or you) stepped out, or where indecisive about being all in. Here is a matter of loss due to choices. The loss is real here.

And loss is the hardest emotional hitter to your heart. The connection was there and now is gone. You can never fully recover from a loss, you can move on but will leave a scar. Is like losing your child vs not having a child. Both are painful, but the loss scars you for life. Because you had and now they are gone.

And this is how I understand the whole matter of soulmates.

Losing a friend or a romantic relationship hurts. Losing a true friend or a soulmate deeply scars.

One can feel any degree of pain ranging from losing your wallet to losing your dearest childhood possession, the one that helped you to grow and you preserved for lifelong memory to pass on to your kids.

You will have fond memories and maybe melancholy, but you’ll be fine.

The other feels like, from the pain for the death of a close relative, up to the death of your child.

You will survive, but you will never forget. The scar changes you for the rest of your life.

So yes, your grief is absolutely understandable and natural. Can it be something again? Maybe? Either way you can build the life you want and you can have great love again with someone else. You can also have great love again with her if that’s what you both want and prioritize. Our feelings usually go where our thoughts go, and of course right now your thoughts about all this are not rainbows and sunshine and will not be for a long time.

Things like this leave a scar. It can be mended, as in rebuilt. But only if both are more than committed, that means no but or if, there is no line, rebuilding requires an even stronger commitment than starting.

You have to both be ready for self sacrifice if or when it’s needed. It’s now a painful process while before it was a pleasure hike. If you are scared of the pain and hesitate, then you cannot succeed.

In our terms the BS is on the ground bleeding, has to stand up , heal the wounds and offer a hand.

The WS is also hurting and has to stand up, take the BS hand and crawl with them, both completely naked and vulnerable, on the field of broken glass that’s been the shattered bond.

You will both bleed again right after having tended to your wounds. It will hurt both for as long as it takes.

Is when you both are holding strong when your partner is bleeding more that you can rebuild the foundation.

One day that’ll be solid enough that the broken glass under will hurt you no more. Then you can truly rebuild, having shared something that very few people can really pull off. Bonding stronger through adversity.

The broken glass will always be there below the floor, down in the basement of the memory, sometimes a shard will sting and hurt, that’s reality.

But you have a new solid base you can both live and build up upon. That’s real too.

Cheaters are not using the same frame of mind when choosing to cheat.

You have it framed in a monogamous and loyal mindset. That you wouldn't have sex with another person if you are already having exclusive sex with a person. That in order to do so, you have to choose.

A cheater is not choosing between. They are choosing both (or many). They are not hampered by their promises or ethics. They don't need to choose between meals on a prix fixe menu. They are at an all you can eat buffet.

It doesn't reflect on your value as a person, it reflects on their lack of values.

Maybe this advice helps, maybe not.

i get what you say and thank you.

No it doesn’t reflect your own value as a person.

It wounds the attachment, our natural trait of connection, we are wired for it as much as we are wired to breathe oxygen.

Attachment is not a choice, is trust. Attachment is biologically expensive, is the biggest investment you will ever do. That’s why it becomes monogamy, you simply can’t afford to invest anything more anywhere else.

Is not a choice is a stability need.

The cheater is not choosing, is just not investing the moment they cheat, leaving you exposed and that’s life draining for the betrayed.

They lied about their investment, they exploit you and they exploit others. And doing so they sabotage themselves as well.

But you are the one who is forced to pay the bill for the all you can eat buffet, while your cheating partner knew already full well you’re being bankrupted.

It does diminish your value, although temporary you are forced to pay the price, and you lost everything you invested until now. You can always recover, not everyone does.

Because you take a brutal hit, depending how much you invested, that’s what you lost. Is not if or when or an investment fallacy. The moment you are cheated on, you lost. All that was in. And you have to pay for the cheater buffet bill as well.

No matter how many affair partners they invited at their buffet party, you are already broke and you have to pay for all.

Translated to myself, I invested all in what I believed once. I lost it all when she cheated the first two times (because I just found out another one). I gave her trust again, and bet my future at 20. So I lost my past, my future and I lost my entire adult life.

Exactly 20 years later I find myself at the same edge of the cliff she thrown me in several times. With a child. All is lost and I have to rebuild front zero again.

Does this reflect my own value?

No, I will rebuild it will work out, I know my worth.

But I surely took the hit, and she still stands there, justifying her needs and entitlement, while pretending to be a partner. Excusing and taking no accountability.

So if the WS doesn’t change.

I was not chosen. I was not enough. I was replaceable.

Is not my worth here, is the wound and the bill for her buffet.

[This message edited by BackfromtheStorm at 7:21 AM, Saturday, February 14th]

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Unhinged ( member #47977) posted at 4:22 PM on Saturday, February 14th, 2026

In my case, not enough of a man, for her.

Does that apply to the rest of us, the thousands of members here, and millions of other betrayed spouses around the world? Were we not enough of a man or woman?

I think you are as wrong as you can possibly be about this notion that you were not enough of a man.

The fault always lies with the cheater. Always.

Married 2005
D-Day April, 2015
Divorced May, 2022

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BearlyBreathing ( member #55075) posted at 5:10 PM on Saturday, February 14th, 2026

You are and have always been enough. the issue was that she didn’t want commitment or monogamy. It wasn’t that she didn’t want it with you - she didn’t want it at all. She wanted YOU to give her those things, but she wanted to do whatever she wanted. Typical cake eater.

You, and all of us, are enough.

Me: BS 57 (49 on d-day)Him: *who cares ;-) *. D-Day 8/15/2016 LTA. Kinda liking my new life :-)

**horrible typist, lots of edits to correct. :-/ **

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 BackfromtheStorm (original poster member #86900) posted at 5:50 PM on Saturday, February 14th, 2026

Does that apply to the rest of us, the thousands of members here, and millions of other betrayed spouses around the world? Were we not enough of a man or woman?

No it doesn’t apply to you.

I am understanding that is the source of my pain, the attachment wound. Mix that with my childhood trauma, being abandoned at birth for half of my childhood.

That made me believe for most of my life, until few month ago, I was not worthy and unlovable.

The betrayal to me just confirmed that deepest trauma. That is why healing was so difficult for me and all therapy failed.

I am capable now to tell myself I am worthy, soon or later my nerve system will learn it. Maybe.

I have to recondition an entire life. Like usual I have to face it alone.

Giving words to the pain and wounds helps, is like talking to someone.

You are and have always been enough. the issue was that she didn’t want commitment or monogamy. It wasn’t that she didn’t want it with you - she didn’t want it at all.

She wanted monogamy and she has been monogamous with all her exes and with her affair partners too.

In her history I am the one and only exception.

While I was officially her boyfriend and fiancée, in truth I was mostly the fuck buddy that you keep in between relationships.

Not the movie she presented to me though.
Two days ago I just found out that was the case since the very beginning of our relationship. Even the fresh start was all just fake, the early memories I still treasured were a cruel lie.
I have been lied since day one. This reframes everything, I have nothing in my sentimental life that is not tainted by rejection and falsity.

For her I was never a partner, never a man.
I was nice thing to parade around, to make her friends envious and to comfort her emotions and body when she needed.

She never took me seriously, not even as a person, just a role and an object.

Most of you here have been betrayed and understand the pain you share with me.

Most of you have been chosen at some point in time by someone in your previous relationships, even if they ended.

I never experienced that, since birth, and later in life.

But I chose others with extreme loyalty. And I seen others choose other with loyalty.

With my old wounds, my void of never reciprocated relationship attachment, makes extremely hard to feel like you say.

I know it’s true what you say.

I am loving myself enough today.

There’s always that old echo from the past whispering that "you didn’t have because in your case, you truly aren’t worth of other’s love"

Is a fragment from the past that needs time to die out.

That’s possibly why I don’t find easy to open to reconciliation.

I just know even if she heals she will never be able to give me these things that she freely gave to others.

Hope you understand I am not denying your truth, I know you are right.

I am trying to understand myself to learn from my mistakes

[This message edited by BackfromtheStorm at 5:57 PM, Saturday, February 14th]

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gr8ful ( member #58180) posted at 6:56 PM on Saturday, February 14th, 2026

She never took me seriously, not even as a person, just a role and an object.

This is a critical, and of course deeply painful, realization. HO says ‘you can have deep love again’ with her. I think you’re seeing she never loved you in the first place (love is a verb - not warm butterfly feelings), at least not love in how you understand and live it. It could well be the "love" your W has shown you is all she’s capable of. Is this how you wish to spend the rest of your life?

In light of this, may I ask you why you’re still set on R ?

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cocoplus5nuts ( member #45796) posted at 7:05 PM on Saturday, February 14th, 2026

she replaced me every single time. She kept me as an emotional option for her ego, lying to me about how much she loved me and I was special to her. The moment one affair gave her more comfort in the moment and she thought it could be stabilized, she left me. Just to come back to me when it failed shortly after. No care for my pain. No care for my feelings. No regret, lies. No respect for me as a person rebuilding a life after betrayal.

Based on what I've read of your posts, I think it was you who did not value yourself. Why keep taking her back?

I thought you posted somewhere that you had another dday and were done. Am I getting you confused with someone else?

I'm the BP

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 BackfromtheStorm (original poster member #86900) posted at 7:53 PM on Saturday, February 14th, 2026

Based on what I've read of your posts, I think it was you who did not value yourself. Why keep taking her back?

I thought you posted somewhere that you had another dday and were done. Am I getting you confused with someone else?

it’s me, I found out that right after we got together (no idea how many months), she had a boyfriend in Germany where she spent one year in study. I was the official one, but she was there, I was not.

I only took her back once, the 2008 betrayal when she broke up. I was devastated since then.

I felt them all, 3 affairs and to the count 9 betrayals of lesser entity that I found out.

It’s now that the roles changed, I am the one pulling away while she is panicking.

As for right now I am still here for my child. Evaluating what I should do.

This is a critical, and of course deeply painful, realization. HO says ‘you can have deep love again’ with her. I think you’re seeing she never loved you in the first place (love is a verb - not warm butterfly feelings), at least not love in how you understand and live it. It could well be the "love" your W has shown you is all she’s capable of. Is this how you wish to spend the rest of your life?

In light of this, may I ask you why you’re still set on R ?

I still don’t truly know if I am the kind of person who is even capable to reconcile.

I had deep love for her. That I can promise. Never felt that for anybody else.

I believed that at least on the beginning she was truly in love with me.

This discovery reframes everything, if she was right away in an affair with this guy, no matter if emotional or worse, then I was never loved.

In that case there’s nothing to reconcile.

[This message edited by BackfromtheStorm at 7:54 PM, Saturday, February 14th]

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Webbit ( member #84517) posted at 10:23 PM on Saturday, February 14th, 2026

I remember in the early days after D-Day, I was always questioning why he would pick her over me and more importantly our son. I think this is a completely natural reaction.

But then one day I just realised it had absolutely nothing to do with who the AP was but more that she was convenient. She honestly could have been any woman that showed him attention. It was just lucky for my WH that he worked with someone who had low morals, just like him.

What I now see is that I (we) were second to his own selfish need for sexual gratification and some attention. He didn’t have to try, he could be who ever he wanted to be and he got what he wanted. That obviously is still a kick in the guts but at least he can now see it and work on himself!

Webbit

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