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The Lies they believe

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 Howcthappen (original poster member #80775) posted at 10:16 AM on Monday, June 5th, 2023

Here’s what I realized:

The AP is full of sh*t! They try to pretend that there were problems in your marriage before they entered…..

Bi*%h the PROBLEM was the guy talking to you!
It wasn’t at all a red flag that a man approaching you to break a covenant to the person he loves in front of all the people he loves is a LIAR? How do you believe anything he says?

The problem I have is that if a man walked up to them and said-

"Hey I think you’d make me feel handsome and powerful let’s go rob a bank every week and buy crack with the money we steal and smoke it."

Would the OW say to herself "oh there must be bad people in his life making him unhappy- I’ll do this for him to help him be happy?"

Nope she’d see him as crazy going through something and not healthy.

Also, they tell themselves-

"He must love me he keeps breaking all these rules to be with me and making time to sneak and come see me!"

Nope- he’s sneaking around to not let the person he really loves find out! He doesn’t want anyone to know so he keeps everything a secret!

Since when does ANYONE who is proud of something keep that which they are proud of secret?!?! People want you to see the things they work hard for and value-

You are a secret - and many secrets are things that people are ashamed of and people have negative emotions attached to. You are hidden to protect you from the things that are valuable do as not to tarnish them.

These concepts just literally hit me in the face as I stumbled across a video on you tube of the OW explaining that there were already problems in the marriage if he was out looking for her.

Nope you can’t know that it was the marriage——and then I said just like it wasn’t about who this OW is—-she could’ve been anyone who would listen to the lies. The problem in the marriage was the WS!!!!

It’s been 3 years and even though you know this stuff sometimes you have a moment of clarity and YOU GET IT!

It just happened to me. Lol

What realizations and discoveries finally sunk in for you???

Three years since DdayNever gonna be the sameReconcilingThe sting is still present

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 11:18 AM on Monday, June 5th, 2023

You make some great points. I have had guys make comments — they were fishing to see if I was "interested " or willing to cheat.

Some of them were people from my church!!!

Some of them I was friends with their wife or GF.

I learned that people (some people) are just losers who pretend to be good people. They come from all walks of life. They don’t think there is anything wrong with cheating.

😡🤪

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 11 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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Luna10 ( member #60888) posted at 12:14 PM on Monday, June 5th, 2023

The ow in my marriage desperately believed he’s lying to me only, once she realised he’s lying to her too she turned bunny boiler (won’t detail everything but seriously, she used to follow us places). She posted on social media how she would never stay with a liar. 🤣 She truly realised he was a liar when she was at the receiving end of said lies and it turned out he would not leave me for her.

I struggled for a very long time to understand there are people on this planet that can actually dissociate behaviours that way. The fact that he was lying to me, his wife, and putting my physical and emotional health in danger didn’t make him a liar, he only became a liar, in her eyes, when it dawned on her he wasn’t honest to her either.

If I meet a murderer tomorrow he will be a murderer for me no matter what, I won’t consider him not a murderer just because he didn’t attempt to murder me yet…

These people who are willing to engage in these types of behaviour and have the ability to create a narrative suitable to hurting other people have some serious issues themselves, believe me. (And so do our cheating spouses).

Dday - 27th September 2017

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Ladybugmaam ( member #69881) posted at 1:17 PM on Monday, June 5th, 2023

You bring up some points that speak to me.

I'm in a smaller community, even smaller sports community. We're all triathletes. When DDay came around and the A was out in the open. FWH immediately threw OW under the bus. And, she was....from where I sit....aggressive toward me. Not physically. But, just in my space. I'm sure that there was a counselor involved for her. And, pretty sure she was counseled to not give up her space. I was new to the sport, and she was mentoring me.
I decided I could skip the whole thing....but wanted to prove something to myself....her....FWH....the world. Not that I'd choose an A....but if I did, I'd at least have the decency to feel a little shame. I wouldn't intentionally seek out that space.

Nearly weekly, we'd run into each other. Initially, when OW was still married to oBS....our plan was to just politely ignore each other. But, once that marriage imploded....she no longer had any incentive to respect those boundaries. She just did ick things like sit next to me. She still does it when I run into her. From where I sit, it is SO invasive and aggressive. But, I usually stand my ground. When this happens, most of all my friends sitting in the same group know about the A. So, she just looks like a bunny boiler. But, this is now extended to her new BF. Now I run into him as often and he's just as weirdly in my personal space.

I have a good friend who is a IC/MC. When the BF was last following me around a sports event, I called her up. (Literally photos of us standing inches from each other back to back....it was so uncomfortable....and also hilarious to look at....OW skipped that day). It has been really tough in those instances. All my friends around me know. I'm NOT going to back down. I did nothing wrong. But, talk about a trigger fest. It's hard to breathe. And, I am just reminded of my H's part in the whole bullish*t. He's got dealing with my triggers pretty well.

My friend suggested, when someone can't or won't own up to their actions, take themselves in hand, and get some help or grow from their mistakes.....they'll make up all KINDS of things about others to take the heat off themselves and project it onto someone else...frequently the person they wronged. So, essentially I'm the villain in this woman's story. I took her chance for everlasting happiness with my H. I'm sure FWH told her all sorts of lies about me during the A....and to himself. Totally agree, APs are full of Sh*t.

EA DD 11/2018
PA DD 2/25/19
One teen son
I am a phoenix.

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Uxoragain ( new member #83025) posted at 5:56 PM on Monday, June 5th, 2023

My take is the flip side! (This is from 10 years ago…so it comes with wisdom that may help at the end of this post.)

It blew me away, the lies Mr Uxor AND !!!3!!! other married men believed, that his mCOW had said.

And how Mr Uxor did not question or contradict her. THAT defines the sheer denial.

I guess I am talking about how he lied to himself and even paralleled her lies by imitating her with his own lies of omission.

An example from several dozens I have proof of:

Her: "My H and I only have Birthday sex, meaning just on special occasions. He neglects me. He knows how I am sexually. He chooses to sleep in the guest-room. My poor neglected needs!."

Meanwhile she is doing several other men, accessing info on their bankrolls to compare them (all executives, doctors and lawyers and such…every single one. Her husband was too, but sick and edge of retirement. The money stream was about to dry up.

And it was her third marriage to a successful man who was having a financial change.

She was also being coached by a former affair partner, who was a financial counselor and beyond promiscuous in every fetish you can imagine, on how to plan to invest her divorce take-aways and affair booty she was taking in from APs all while this guy was fully aware of her sexual extracurriculars that he had taught her, and was cheering her on and helping her strategize leverages (gifts, raises, etc).

She was not in "need". She was getting plenty of it. Even on the same day at times. And she had a team in play to get her a lot of jing in a way that would lock in perfect victim married wife image.

BUT Mr Uxor thought he was THEEE ONE!

And though we were easily intimate a couple of times a week, he lead her to believe that it was more or less like her false frequency. THAT was infuriating to me when I saw what he DIDN’T say.

I learned through this that my husband seldom lied directly. He was more likely to use a half-truth and omission to hide things.

(Advantage. Now I know to look for what is missing. NOT what is offered.)

She later realized we were intimate much more often; and would attempt to intercept him before coming home by staying until after others left the office to do work. She claimed the other mCOM was crushing her and needed to meet with Mr Uxor separately in order to focus on work and not be distracted.

She often complained to Mr Uxor that she thought this guy was obsessed with her.

He was.

That guy left his wife and married her.

But to Mr Uxor, she even attempted after work sex calls after DDay. (She got shut down).


Another example:

When Mr Uxor felt guilt and wanted to get spiritual and psychological, help she said her H had suspected she cheats and set up a post nup. That is why she has to work (untrue…her work gave her access to new targets). That if her H found out he would shred her and she would be destitute. M Uxor could tell NO ONE! And she had tried counseling. It never helped anyway.

Then she took it up a notch. She claimed she cared so much about him and his hard work, that if caught, Mr Uxor’s very loyal office manager (a person I recommend he hire…I had seen the mCOWs resume and said she was too inconsistent in her work history. It was her now new husband who wanted her hired and brought her in later) and myself would then shred him. We were staged as the monsters.

That office manager and I have years of history of keeping our cool under many difficult work and personal
circumstances. We are not shredders! We are not the monsters!

She was!

But he believed the mCOW! She knew and could prophesy ALL things!

His lie was in not defending the reality of who us two incredible ladies who always had his back were!

Reality?

She plotted and planned, leveraged and lawyered up BIG and took her dying husband to the cleaners in court. She staged him as the controlling monster. She didn’t even get a hand slap.

He did get the last word.

He died on her new husband’s birthday. (I kid you not.) He deserved nothing that happened to him, but he definitely will be remembered by his kids on their new daddy’s birthday.

No idea if that was God or sheer will, but that gets betrayal street cred from me.

My point is that not only do our waywards tell lies about our marriages, but they also tell lies to themselves about the AP even when the proof is stacking up in front of us.


Affairs are a mental illness bad coping skill. They are toxic beyond just the physical action. They toxify everyone else around them like breathing in microbes sloughed off lies.

It is the job of the betrayed, when these truths reach our minds, to not remain ill with the toxicity ourselves, and rid ourselves of patterns that infused into us without our knowing.

Remember, we are not responsible for taking the wrong action to a lie, because we were not acting with full knowledge!

(Example from my life 10+ years ago:

Mr Uxor arrived home late to find dinner staying warm on the stove. I had to attend a event our kids would be at, and would not be late AGAIN. A note saying that I finally had to go, but hoped he joins me after eating, was lovingly by a plate setting.

Mr Uxor’s declaration to her, whom he had just neglected me for while stating it was work (half truth!), was that I always make everything about everyone else.

She backed it up with, "So disrespectful!" And "What is his favorite meal? She would have made that for him AND been late for everyone else. THAT is what a man deserves!"

After DDay in marriage recovery he momentarily tried to go for that angle in accusing me why he was at times justified. I neglected him for others. Then I listed how he deserted me for work, FOO and hobbies, THEN an AP for years!

But I didn’t have an affair.

If I neglected him, it was to do what he should have been doing with me AND making up for his absence from our family AND - In fact - turning my life exactly into what she claimed hers was.

End of THAT lie he carried around in his head.

I cannot be responsible for how I managed HIS covert abuse and neglect. I was not fully informed.

But…he….was…about…me.

And

She…was…about…ALL…of…us.


SO, Let go any guilt of what you could not respond to in a healthy way, because of lies.

Own your better full knowledge and respond by never being puppetteered by the illness of betrayal dynamics again.

That is how YOU detox.

Me: Mrs. Uxor, BW, 50's

Mr Uxor, WH, 50's

DDay Summer 2013

Currently Married almost 30 years.Reconciled but working on ripples so we stay that way.

I was here before - read about it in my story.

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SacredSoul33 ( member #83038) posted at 8:26 PM on Monday, June 5th, 2023

These people who are willing to engage in these types of behaviour and have the ability to create a narrative suitable to hurting other people have some serious issues themselves, believe me. (And so do our cheating spouses).

Amen to that. Whenever I wonder why people do or believe stupid things, I remind myself that the brain is literally a chunk of electrified meat. It's not a reliable machine, and the quality of the meat can vary greatly. laugh

In our case, the OW was seemingly on the prowl for someone to take care of her. After finding out later that she was carrying on an EA with my H's friend and coworker the whole time that she was having a PA with my H, I think maybe she wasn't terribly picky at first about who she ended up with as long as she got someone.

But then DDay came, and H told me that he was in love with her and leaving me. She was so excited. Then he spent a few weeks alone and came to his damn senses. He told her he was coming home to fix his marriage in his NC email. She must have thought that she had him up until that point, and then she lost him. She did her damndest to try to regain his attention for a couple of years, and I think she ended up fixated on him with some unrequited love ridiculousness. As recently as a year ago, she was posting stuff on Pinterest like "You and I will always be unfinished business." She's got a whole board dedicated to shit like that. 950+ pins. I suppose it could be about someone else, but my gut says it's not. She got married (ON OUR ANNIVERSARY) five years after DDay and they're still married. There's a big part of me that wants to send her H an anonymous letter and tell him to look at her Pinterest. I don't know if she's ignorant enough to not know that Pinterest is public, or if she's planting all those memes there as bait in case H creeps on her.

I have absolutely no doubt that if H sent her a text and requested that she meet him, she'd drop everything.

[This message edited by SacredSoul33 at 10:04 PM, Monday, June 5th]

Remove the "I want you to like me" sticker from your forehead and place it on the mirror, where it belongs. ~ Susan Jeffers

Your nervous system will always choose a familiar hell over an unfamiliar heaven.

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