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 little turtle (original poster member #15584) posted at 7:19 PM on Saturday, April 5th, 2025

Hello!

I posted awhile back about my MIL who had back surgery last August. She was in the hospital including in hospital rehab for over a month. She was discharged to a rehab facility and stayed there for 2 weeks. She was back at home in October. Before MIL could come home, Husband and his brother (BIL A) were getting the house ready. While there one day, BIL A heard water running and discovered that the water heater needed to be replaced. He bought a new one and my husband helped him replace it. They have another brother who is out of state (BIL B). BIL A sent a group message to my husband and BIL B asking his brothers to share the cost of replacing the water heater. MIL has been out of work for months and has no additional income to contribute. Both brothers send money to BIL A.

Fast forward, BIL A and my husband take turns spending the night and caring for MIL through the month of October. Come December, they start going through things to pack or donate as MIL cannot afford to stay in the house. Hours are spent going through things as MIL is a hoarder. We move MIL to an apartment in January. The house is finally empty in March and listed for sale. The sale is finalized by the end of March. BIL A and husband ask MIL to be reimbursed for all of their expenses during this time now that MIL has cash in the bank due to selling the house.

Last night, I received a text message from BIL B's wife (SIL). She wants to know if MIL paid us back of if BIL A paid us back the money for the water heater. MIL paid us back as the water heater was paid by the brothers, for the mother. BIL A had different expenses than my husband and we didn't know if BIL B wanted his portion back as that was his only contribution during this entire time.

SIL is insisting that BIL A is pocketing money from this. She told me to talk to an accountant because she is 200% right. Well, I don't have an accountant, so I thought I'd post here to see what you all have to say. smile She gave a made up example to explain how things happened so we use those fake numbers throughout the discussion. The water heater was actually less than $800.

SIL-
Right, but how this purchase works is that BIL A paid for the water heater. I don't remember the exact number. So, let's say 1,200 for the water heater. MIL pays BIL A 400, Husband 400, and BIL B 400. But BIL A only asks for his portion for MIL, and MIL pays Husband 400. But BIL A paid for the whole thing. We don't want any money from it, so BIL A profits 800. If MIL is giving Husband money and we said keep it, BIL A needs to give MIL 800. Does that make sense? Other wise BIL A is pocketing 800.
Because we all gave him the money not MIL
What BIL A needs to do is give MIL the full portion of money for the water heater minus his pay which she gives him the money.

Me-
Using your example:
BIL A, Husband, and BIL B all paid $400 towards the water heater. It was purchased and installed. No money left. BIL A asked for and received his $400 back from MIL. Husband also asked and received his $400. BIL B doesn't want his $400, so MIL keeps his portion.

SIL-
As of right now BIL A has our portion and Husband's
But MIL is out 800

Me-
Why would BIL A pay MIL for the water heater that he installed? BIL A only has what he paid. Not our shares.

SIL-
BIL A should give MIL the full amount of 1200 for the heater, then MIL needs to distribute the money that each child wants

Me-
Where is BIL A going to get $1200 when he spent it on the water heater?

SIL-
Right now BIL A is pocketing the money of our share that we want MIL to have.
From the payment of the three kids
What needed to happen is that MIL paid the full amount back to BIL A and A distribute the money back and we give MIL the money back to her for our gift to her retirement. This gets super messy.

Me-
So you want MIL to give BIL A BIL B's 1/3 so that you can give it back to MIL?

SIL-
We didn't give MIL the money we gave BIL A
Did MIL pay back BIL A the full amount of the water heater

Me-
No. Only his 3rd.

SIL-
Right, so MIL should of pay BIL A for Husband’s third and BIL A give Husband his money back. Because Husband did not give MIL money for the water heater.
Currently BIL A is pocketing Husband's portion and MIL is funding for Husband's portion.
BIL A needs to give MIL Husband’s portion because Husband gave BIL A money not MIL but MIL paid back Husband.

Me-
I don't understand why you think BIL A has extra money. BIL A can't give MIL Husband's portion because it was spent on the water heater and BIL A only got 1/3 of the money from MIL, not the full amount.

SIL-
The reality when is money being refunded it needs to be refunded by the person that money is given to in the first place.
Currently BIL A has an extra 400 dollars paid out from Husband that MIL paid out back to him.

SIL sent an image of a note typed up trying to explain herself and it doesn't make sense.

Me-
BIL A starts at -1200 paying for the water heater.
Gets 800 from Husband and BIL B. Still -400
MIL pays him 400. Equals 0

SIL-
Check your math it doesn't equal out since 1600 has been paid out
BIL B portion is zeroed out

Me-
$800 of the $1600 went to pay the water heater. The other $800 is MIL paying Husband and BIL A back.

SIL-
MIL paid BIL A 400 and paid Husband 400
But Husband paid BIL A 400
BIL A got paid an extra 400 for the water heater

Me-
The 400 that BIL A had from Husband went to pay for the heater

SIL-
Right but MIL shouldn't of paid Husband the 400 because BIL A got the money from Husband
BIL A should of refunded the money to Husband

SIL gives an example of Kohl's and Nordstrom which makes no sense. I don't bother responding to it.

SIL-
BIL A owes MIL Husband's 1/3 portion because she paid out Husband's 1/3 portion even though the water heater was paid for by BIL A.

Me-
MIL would have to pay BIL A the full amount in order for BIL A to pay Husband back his portion.

SIL-
No BIL A needs to give MIL Husband's portion because she gave Husband the moneys and Husband gave BIL A the money
Talk to an accountant
I'm 200 percent right
BIL A is screwing MIL over on money. I'm not saying he's doing it on purpose but uneducated
800 has been paid out from MIL, 800 has been paid out to BIL A that equals 1600 not 1200
400 of that money needs to be refunded to MIL

Me-
BIL A used the 800 to pay for the water heater. And MIL paid BIL A and Husband back for the water heater.

SIL-
Right, Mary paid 400 to BIL A 400 to Husband
That equals 800
But BIL A has received 800 from Husband and BIL B and paid 400 himself
Equals 1200
He received 400 from MIL for a refund
Which means he still has 800
BIL B doesn't want any money back

Me-
He spent 1200. And has received 1200.

SIL-
I'm not going to continue to argue BIL A has an extra 400 from Husband that MIL refunded but Husband gave BIL A the money. If you can't do the math I don't know how else to show you.
The boys should of just paid for it after what their parents have done for them


I stopped responding at this point and haven't heard anything since. At the start of the conversation, Husband called BIL B, but he didn't answer. BIL B called back and said he's at work. Still haven't heard anything else from him.

Will someone explain it to me? I don't know what else to say.

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wifehad5 ( Administrator #15162) posted at 12:49 AM on Sunday, April 6th, 2025

Will someone explain it to me? I don't know what else to say.

Ummmmmmm, perhaps math wasn't her strongest subject?

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BraveSirRobin ( member #69242) posted at 4:19 AM on Sunday, April 6th, 2025

Your SIL is nuts. Maybe this can be solved by sitting at a physical table with Monopoly money.

Each party (Husband, BIL A, BIL B) is dealt $400. MIL also gets a Monopoly house. Husband and BIL B give their portions to BIL A, who puts it all back in the bank to represent purchase of the water heater.

Next, MIL gives the bank her house. The bank gives your MIL $1200. If your SIL says at this point that BIL A should give money back to MIL, it will be visibly obvious that he has no money to give to MIL. It went in the bank to pay for the water heater. The only money now in play is hers, from the sale of the house.

Next, MIL gives $1200 back to BIL A, who then gives $400 to Husband and $400 to BIL B. I think that's what SIL wanted and what is confusing her; she wants the money back from the same hands she originally gave it to. BIL B can then give his $400 back to MIL, representing his refusal to be paid back for his loan. Final results: water heater purchased, BIL A has $400, Husband has $400, BIL B has zero, MIL has $400.

Now everyone puts the money back in the bank to try this again. MIL gets $1200 from the bank for the sale of the house. This time, MIL gives $400 to Husband, $400 to BIL A, and tries to give $400 to BIL B. BIL B refuses. Final result is identical: water heater purchased, BIL A has $400, Husband has $400, BIL B has zero, MIL has $400.

Of course, it also sounds like what's really bothering SIL is that she thinks Husband and BIL A shouldn't have accepted their money back at all. She thinks they should have done what BIL B did and refused. That resentment, together with her conviction that the $1200 should have gone back to BIL A for redistribution, has her mental math all knotted up. But with physical props to play out the options, it will be clear that BIL A has no extra money lining his pockets.

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