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Reconciliation :
Another "mistake" by WH

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 InkedLadyProf (original poster new member #85436) posted at 4:04 AM on Thursday, November 7th, 2024

This is my first time posting on SI, although I've read many posts over the years. It isn't easy for me to share complicated feelings or reach out for support, but I honestly don't know how to process the most recent action of my WH. I thought other BSs would have more insight, so I finally joined SI.

A bit of background: My WH and I have been married for 30+ years. Throughout our marriage, he has engaged in numerous EAs and always walked on the edge of inappropriate relationships with female co-workers. When confronted, he always had a believable reason for the extra time and attention, text messages, phone calls, etc. He loves to "help people," all of whom seem to be women. In particular, he likes to help women advance in their careers, as he's very successful and has vast business connections. External validation from women is his drug of choice; his other loyal relationship is with alcohol. Our marriage imploded in 2017 when he was caught with his AP by her husband (now ex-husband). With that revelation, 3 years of trickle truth began; he only told the truth when ultimately backed into a corner by irrefutable evidence. He started individual therapy and we had couples therapy as well. Over the years, we had bumps with his drinking, which has decreased, but he will never stop. We were briefly separated in 2022 when he drove drunk. He has not had any other EAs or PAs as far as I am aware.

Recently, WH wanted to go back to working out. This is a sensitive subject, as he was busted for sexting with a woman in his cross-fit class in 2016. After 8 years, I thought it was fine and I'm glad he was trying to improve his health. Of course, WH returned to the same gym and signed up to work with a female trainer because he felt more comfortable knowing the gym. After 6 weeks, he brought home a box of pastries from the gym, a "birthday gift" from his trainer. My antennae were immediately up, as I thought it odd and inappropriate that his trainer bought him pastries as a gift. He left on a business trip the next day and returned the following week. As he was unpacking, he gave me a cool vintage T-shirt. He then pulled out a jewelry box and told me about how he had found a local art shop with a vendor who made personalized leather wrap bracelets. He had purchased a bracelet with bronze charms of birds "spreading their wings and flying in a new direction" as a gift for his trainer, as she was starting a new group of classes at the gym and quitting her side job to focus on her career. He thought it was perfect for her.

I was livid. Absolutely livid. WHAT THE HELL?
He told me she was the same age as our kids and he only thought of her "like a kid and I just want to encourage her new direction."
And here's the kicker.... he's so proud of himself because he told me about buying a gift for another woman rather than hiding it as he would have in the past. When I told him it was inappropriate and that I was pissed, he apologized and said he wouldn't give her the gift. He admitted he'd made a mistake, but hey, he's only human (his words). And he is still working out with her at the gym because he has already paid for 6 months of sessions. He said I could come work out with "them," but I won't be his chaperone. I suggested he work with a male trainer, but his paid sessions are with her only.

I'm just so...sad. What do I even do with this? He says it's part of his DNA to want to help people. But this has always been the pattern - helping a "helpless" woman and it evolves into an inappropriate relationship, EA, and at least once, a PA. I spent years working through the trauma of the betrayals and understand that his behaviors had nothing to do with me. I do know that; he's responsible for his own choices. What I'm left with now is, what does it say about me that I'm having this same conversation with him about another inappropriate interaction with a woman? What are my limits? I try to rationalize that it was only a bracelet, but damn, it really hurts.

Has anyone else been in a similar situation? This most recent incident has sent me into a spiral and triggered many memories. I'm feeling lost and emotionally exhausted.

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 1:09 PM on Thursday, November 7th, 2024

Sorry you find yourself here, ILP. The right place to be, though.

Your story immediately reminded me of The Scorpion and the Frog

A scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river because it can't swim. The frog is afraid of being stung, but the scorpion promises not to because they would both drown if it did. The frog agrees, but the scorpion stings the frog anyway. The dying frog asks why, and the scorpion replies, "I am sorry, but I couldn't help myself. It's my character"

You know in your heart that the next thirty years will be like the last thirty years, right?

DDay 1986: R'd, it was hard, hard work.

“Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?”
― Mary Oliver

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This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at 3:46 PM on Thursday, November 7th, 2024

Is the monetary loss of the training sessions worth the emotional heartache?

600 dollars?

In the grand scheme of your life, I have to image that is a fart in the windstorm.

Love is not a measure of capacity for pain you are willing to endure for your partner.

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 5:31 PM on Thursday, November 7th, 2024

I was in your shoes for decades. My H was the go to guy for women - single, married, young, old, etc.

I didn’t realize the extent of his flirty behavior and interactions. I was not jealous and trusted people. Even the OW who was his 4 year EA (in person EA).

Until I found out that he admitted to cheating on me with OW1 to OW2.

Then I knew who he really was.

Someone who would stonewall and lie and gaslight and watch me be upset so he could get his ego boost.

It stopped when I planned to D him after his last affair 11 years ago. He recognized what he had done and I believe he had planned to take it to his grave. Except OW2 spilled the tea lol.

Inked, IMO he knew EXACTLY what he was going and had the audacity to do it in front of you. IMO he knows that gift is inappropriate and a means to an end. He is using it to lay the groundwork IMO.

He’s wrong and still inappropriate and doesn’t WANT TO get it. He’s not dumb. He’s just a manipulative jerk who continues to put himself first.

Sorry to be harsh. He’s trying to play you by acting dumb.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 10 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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Chaos ( member #61031) posted at 10:49 PM on Thursday, November 7th, 2024

I came here to say a lot. But The1stWife sums it up quite nicely with this:

He’s wrong and still inappropriate and doesn’t WANT TO get it. He’s not dumb. He’s just a manipulative jerk who continues to put himself first.


ETA - the fact that his body wasn't found with that bracelet wrapped tightly around his neck or his D shows you have great restraint and amazing character.

[This message edited by Chaos at 10:50 PM, Thursday, November 7th]

BS-me/WH-4.5yrLTA Married 2+ decades-2 adult children. Multiple DDays w/same LAP until I told OBS 2018- Cease & Desist sent spring 2021 "Hello–My name is Chaos–You f***ed my husband-Prepare to Die!"

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Stillconfused2022 ( member #82457) posted at 11:04 PM on Thursday, November 7th, 2024

It’s tempting to say this is who your WS is and therefore you should cut your losses.

But if you are going to keep trying to make it work I would 100% say he can’t see that trainer. Not now that he went and did what he did. I also would not let him go to that gym. You can set whatever limits you choose.

After my WS came clean about his inappropriate relationship with his assistant all of the expectations changed. Before that I might have tolerated interactions with female coworkers or women in general. We have had a zero tolerance policy for many years now. It does not heal the hurt from prior behavior but at least it minimizes the triggers to me.

In the very beginning there was some fighting as he got used to the new parameters but now he is used to it. There is no friendly texting with women, no use of emojis. I can’t imagine living any other way now. I would be furious about something such as what you described.

How does he respond when you say you are not willing to accept him going to that trainer now that he has re-injured you?

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BluerThanBlue ( member #74855) posted at 3:50 AM on Saturday, November 9th, 2024

Your husband does not care about causing you pain and anxiety. Whenever he's in a position where he has to choose between you and other women, he always chooses other women.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that he probably gets a rise out of playing cat-and-mouse games with you, getting caught, and then forgiven. He didn't tell you about the bracelet because he's become well-meaning and honest; he was deliberately testing your boundaries. He's like a teenager who comes home with a pierced nose just to see how his parents will react.

Furthermore, his high-risk behavior endangers you physically, emotionally, and financially. He drinks to excess and could've killed or severely harmed himself, you, or someone else with his drunk driving. He's very lucky his AP's husband didn't turn violent when he caught them together. His relationships with co-workers (particularly with subordinates) and other women with whom his interactions should be strictly professional (like this trainer) might eventually result in sexual harassment accusations.

You will never be safe in this relationship.

[This message edited by BluerThanBlue at 3:57 AM, Saturday, November 9th]

BW, 40s

Divorced WH in 2015; now happily remarried

I edit my comments a lot for spelling, grammar, typos, etc.

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